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Reply #180 posted 07/21/05 8:28pm

uPtoWnNY

Tomorrow, NYC cops will randomly check bags at subway & bus stations. Since I've been mistaken for being "middle eastern", I'd better leave early. I know I'm going to get stopped.
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Reply #181 posted 07/22/05 2:24am

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Two Arrested in London Subway, Bus Blasts
- DANICA KIRKA, Associated Press


LONDON
- Police in London have arrested two men in connection with four attacks on three subway trains and a double-decker bus on Thursday, a scene hauntingly similar to deadly explosions set off by four suicide bombers exactly two weeks before. It was an inescapable message that life in London now means living with the threat of terror.

The explosive devices were either faulty or too small to cause bloodshed, and the only reported injury turned out to be an asthma attack. But the lunch-hour blasts rattled a capital already on edge after the July 7 explosions, which killed 52 people and four suicide bombers.

Police said one man was detained near Downing Street, site of the prime minister's residence; the other was picked up near Tottenham Court Road, close to the Warren Street subway station where one attack took place.

"We can't minimize incidents such as this," Prime Minister Tony Blair said. "They're done to scare people, to frighten them and make them worried."

They did that.

Authorities said it was too early to determine whether the attacks were carried out by the same organization as the July 7 blasts — or whether they were linked to al-Qaida.

But NBC News reported that British authorities told their U.S. counterparts that backpacks and explosives used Thursday were identical to those in the July 7 attacks. And the British Broadcasting Corp. reported "speculation" that the devices were so similar they may even have been part of the same batch.

"Clearly, the intention must have been to kill," Police Commissioner Ian Blair told reporters. "You don't do this with any other intention. And I think the important point is that the intention of the terrorists has not been fulfilled."

Londoners fled the three Underground stations at midday, some sprinting barefoot after leaving their shoes behind in the scramble.

Witnesses on the Underground heard a pop like a bursting champagne cork. Others smelled an odor like burning rubber. At least one reported a minor explosion in a man's backpack, and then the man muttering that something had gone wrong.

Bus passengers reported a bang on the upper level, where windows were blown out. But some witnesses said the blast wasn't loud. Witnesses first saw the police running up the road, followed soon after by news cameramen lugging tripods.

The prime minister appealed for calm, and a Buckingham Palace garden party for 8,000 people, hosted by Queen Elizabeth II, went ahead. But even among the famously stoic British, nerves were on edge.

"When I got home, my hands were shaking," said 24-year-old Lisa Chilley, who uses the targeted Oval station. "I'm panicking like hell. It's just too close to home."

Firefighters and police with bomb-sniffing dogs sealed off city blocks and evacuated rows of restaurants, pubs and offices.

Britain's Press Association news agency reported detectives were working on the belief that the bombs were not properly primed — which could help explain the limited damage.

Although authorities did not say how many devices exploded, Paul Beaver, an independent defense expert, said an official told him it appeared that two bombs detonated and two others did not. Detonators are often faulty on commercial and military explosives, he said.

"These attacks don't look like they were a hallmark of any one group," Beaver told The Associated Press. "They don't fit into any clear patterns that we know of except they were timed."

One of the greatest police fears is that an audacious attack will inspire similar attacks, said Rachel Bronson, director of Mideast Studies at the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations. "It's all done to sow terror, and there's nothing more terrifying than bombs followed by bombs," she said.

Alarmingly, it appears the group was able to attack in the midst of an intense investigation of the previous bus and train bombings. Often such follow-up attacks are uncovered and thwarted, Bronson said.

"What is very worrisome, London intelligence, which is among the best in the world, was not only surprised two weeks ago, but they're surprised by this," she said.

Emergency teams were sent to the three Underground stations after the attacks, and the police commissioner said forensic evidence collected could provide a "significant break."

In one closely watched development, an armed police unit entered University College hospital shortly after the blasts. Sky News TV reported that police were searching for a man with a blue shirt with wires protruding from his pocket. Officers asked employees to look for a black or South Asian man about 6-foot-2.

By late Thursday, the hospital said police had searched the facility but that three small rooms in an unoccupied part of the complex were cordoned off.

The attacks paralleled the July 7 blasts, which involved explosions at three Underground stations simultaneously starting at 8:50 a.m., followed about an hour later by a bomb going off on a bus. Those bombings took place in the center of London.

Thursday's attacks were more spread out and occurred during the lunch hour — beginning at about 12:38 p.m. The bombs, which targeted trains near the Warren Street, Oval and Shepherd's Bush stations, did not shut down the subway system, only three of its lines. The bus was hit while on Hackney Road in east London.

Near the bus explosion, firefighters and police, some with bomb-sniffing dogs, sealed off a city block of restaurants, shops and apartments. Residents peered through the curtains of upper floor windows, speaking on cell phones.

With fear spreading to other capitals, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said authorities would begin conducting random searches of packages and backpacks carried by people entering the subway.

But Transport for London, which runs the British capital's bus and transport network, rejected such measures. Spokesman Steve Taylor said it would be impractical to check bags or install airport-style metal detectors and X-ray machines. London buses and subways carry 9 million passengers a day.

"We are running a massive transport infrastructure," he told the AP. "Would people accept an additional 30 to 40 minutes on their journey every morning and afternoon? It would bring the network to a standstill."

Dozens of people living near the attacks were unable to return home by late Thursday evening, and police set up reception areas to help them. Among those affected was Eileen Moreland, 91, who has lived since 1950 in an apartment complex above Warren Street station.

"I'm feeling a bit shaky because I haven't been very well and I find it difficult to walk," she said.

For some commuters, the new closures would hardly matter. Fethi Brandou, 36-year-old gardener, said he'd be reluctant to take the Underground again_ no matter what.

"I wouldn't take the Tube now," he said. "I'll buy a bicycle or walk."
[Edited 7/22/05 2:24am]
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Reply #182 posted 07/22/05 3:05am

BananaCologne

A man has been shot dead at Stockwell tube station.
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Reply #183 posted 07/22/05 3:13am

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police have said the two arrested yesterday, by the way (including guy near downing street), have nothing to do with the attempted bombings.

re: man shot at Stockwell:





A man has been shot at Stockwell Tube station by armed police officers, police confirm.
Passengers were evacuated from a Tube train on the Northern Line station in south London after the incident.

Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen an Asian man shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers".

Services on the Victoria and Northern lines have been suspended following a request by the police, London Underground said.

Police are hunting four would-be bombers after Thursday's London blasts.

The bombers fled after detonators went off, causing small blasts, but failed to detonate the bombs themselves.

Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."

Passenger Briony Coetsee said: "We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say, 'Get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots."

news.bbc.co.uk
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Reply #184 posted 07/22/05 3:16am

BananaCologne

Breakng news:

Police have surrounded a Mosque in East London.
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Reply #185 posted 07/22/05 3:37am

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BananaCologne said:

Breakng news:

Police have surrounded a Mosque in East London.



False alarm. Cordon lifted around East London Mosque (BBC Radio)


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Reply #186 posted 07/22/05 3:41am

TheFrog

i just pray this chap who was killed was about to do something, & was involved. If the police have shot an innocent guy who just panicked when he was being chased, it'll be terrible. pray
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Reply #187 posted 07/22/05 3:43am

Natisse

thanks guys for the updates grouphug
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Reply #188 posted 07/22/05 3:47am

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TheFrog said:

i just pray this chap who was killed was about to do something, & was involved. If the police have shot an innocent guy who just panicked when he was being chased, it'll be terrible. pray



I know. pray
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Reply #189 posted 07/22/05 3:47am

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TheFrog said:

i just pray this chap who was killed was about to do something, & was involved. If the police have shot an innocent guy who just panicked when he was being chased, it'll be terrible. pray



That's always the fear when guns are involved. I wonder if the man was armed because it would've made more sense to capture him for interrogation and questioning. If they shot him after four or five plain clothes officers jumped on his back at point blank range (reportedly), he must have been a direct and immediate threat to public life. He can't have been carrying a bomb otherwise police wouldn't have jumped on him but shot him from a greater range. We'll have to wait for more accurate accounts.


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Reply #190 posted 07/22/05 3:49am

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senik said:

TheFrog said:

i just pray this chap who was killed was about to do something, & was involved. If the police have shot an innocent guy who just panicked when he was being chased, it'll be terrible. pray



That's always the fear when guns are involved. I wonder if the man was armed because it would've made more sense to capture him for interrogation and questioning. If they shot him after four or five plain clothes jumped on his back at point blank range (reportedly), he must have been a direct and immediate threat to pulic life.



or at least, they must have thought that he was a direct and immediate threat to public life. it's not that the police would be to blame if that's what they honestly thought but turned out to be wrong, it would just be another disastrous waste of human life on top of everything that's already happened. sad
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Reply #191 posted 07/22/05 3:51am

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Cheer up Frog, I am still alive!!
Hooray!!!!!



I will never4getU.



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Reply #192 posted 07/22/05 3:59am

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TheFrog said:

or at least, they must have thought that he was a direct and immediate threat to public life. it's not that the police would be to blame if that's what they honestly thought but turned out to be wrong, it would just be another disastrous waste of human life on top of everything that's already happened. sad



Yes, you're right. Maybe based on intelligence, instruction or (God forbid) panic or reflex instinct. What do officers do in the light of such difficult and recent events where public security is paramount ? I feel for the authorities who have to make that split decision.


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Reply #193 posted 07/22/05 4:08am

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Live BBC video and radio links online, on this page http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...706787.stm


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Reply #194 posted 07/22/05 6:48am

REDFEATHERS

Didnt go into work today.. boxed
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